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Ps. Thanit Lokeskrawee - Faith, Art, and Ministry: A Thai Christian's Journey
Ps. Thanit Lokeskrawee shares with Benita and Justin his journey from rebellious art student to grassroots church planter to Christian seminary principal and theology PhD student, as well as his challenges and hopes for church ministry and theological education in Thailand.
Mosaic: Theology & Theologising in Asia and beyond
Welcome to Mosaic, a podcast about theology and theologizing in Singapore, asia and beyond, brought to you by Singapore Bible College. Welcome to another episode of Mosaic, a podcast by Singapore Bible College, and today we are very blessed and grateful to have Thanit Lokeskrawi from Thailand, and he's a really special guest for us because he's been in Singapore Bible College for a long time total years combined. We'll let him share later, and right now he's the principal of Chiang Mai Theological Seminary and he is also a PhD student here with us at Singapore Bible College. So welcome, tanit.
Speaker 2:Welcome. Hello Sawadee Krub. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1:Can you tell us a little more about yourself? Are you only a principal and a student here?
Speaker 2:and a student here. Every time I share about my life or my testimony, I would think of a verse when Jesus did a miracle, when he fed 5,000 people. There was one man came to Jesus with five loaves and two fish and he said we have only this much. And I always think about about this, that this verse actually reflect my testimony, that actually my life is only this much. I mean it's very little, but within Jesus hand is multiplied and can be a blessing to others. So my background is in three areas. One is in art. Second one is in God's word, or I'll say background about my faith. Then the third one is church or ministry. Then I think today we might expand a little bit about this background. And I used to be a pastor in central Thailand, in Chiang Mai, and now I'm a principal of Chiang Mai Theological Seminary in Chiang Mai, thailand. I married two Gloria Singaporean, with two kids. One is 13, another one is 11.
Speaker 1:13 already. Wow, time flies.
Speaker 3:The one thing that you didn't say is the reason why you're here, because we're meeting in Singapore. Recording this is you're also a student again for another time, right?
Speaker 2:This is a wonderful story too, of God's grace. I came here first time in 2005, which is 20 years ago, for my MDiv, and after that I went back then, came again for my THM in 2014. Then this is my third time at SPC.
Speaker 1:And that's when I met you in 2014, when you came back for your THM.
Speaker 2:And we played a lot of football together.
Speaker 3:I remember hearing, though, that, as soon as we launched our PhD program a few years ago, someone saying we know one person who is definitely going to come to study with us, and you were in the first batch of our PhD students and you're studying OT with us, that's wonderful too, because back to, I think, 2016,.
Speaker 2:I think I talked to one of the faculties that if SBC opens PhD, I will be the first student to apply.
Speaker 1:Yes, I remember you sharing that also.
Speaker 1:And you were true to your word. You immediately applied to be a PhD student here, and we'll ask you more questions about that journey back into studies real soon. But before that, we will want to ask our guests about their stories starting from when they became a Christian, so that our listeners can also understand the many, many various ways God leads people to himself. And before we go into that, I would like to ask my guests a fun fact, also about themselves. So you mentioned playing football, right, and I played football with you, and you easily outplayed all of us us who are half your age, and so could you share with us you know who's your favorite football player and why?
Speaker 2:I think I can share about this in two stages. The first one will be when I first loved football, maybe during my secondary school time. During that time I loved to watch Ian Rudge, which is Liverpool's legendary striker, who scored a lot, and I think the reason was that when we scored goals we were really happy and we feel the sense of achievement. So I would like to feel that kind of feeling that when I score goals, I achieve something and people will praise for that. People will cheer for your achievement. But that is my first stage.
Speaker 2:So during this time I practice a lot. I practice juggling balls with left and right, practicing shooting with left and right and dribbling like Messi and Diego Maradona or something, because I would like to push myself to score goals. But in the end, when I became older, I realized that actually football is a team game, it's not a one-man show game. So I tend to learn more about how to support the team to achieve the goals. So my favorite player changed from Ian Rush to Glenn Horto and Sinadine Zidane in the midfield position. I like Glenn Horto and Zidane because they have a high level of basic skills and they can do things, do difficult things easier and they support the whole team with imagination and creativity.
Speaker 2:So when I watch Zidane, imagine myself watching an artist painting brush on the canvas while playing in the field. So my favorite player now is Zidane.
Speaker 3:I can see that this whole theme of strategy, technique and creativity and art coming together, in your life somehow, as well as with teamwork and looking for the bigger goal, working for my own goal.
Speaker 1:I think it's a very good way to give us a little glimpse into who you are, and maybe you can also share with us then how do you become a Christian?
Speaker 2:So my journey into faith starts with my Buddhist background. I was born and raised in central Thailand, where Buddhism is very strong, and I grew up in the influence of the teaching of Buddhism. My dad and mom were really staunch Buddhists. We would go to the temple and pray to the Buddha and try to be a good Buddhist. And as I grew up in this environment, I somehow encountered a conceptual conflict between myself and the core teaching of Buddhism. For example, I encountered a conflict about the concept of self, or atta, or atman in the original language, and I found out that Buddhism teaches that atta, or self, is the obstacle to achieve nirvana. But I could not reject self because I still love my lifestyle. I used to. I mean I love to live a lifestyle that is opposite to what people in the society live. For example, men in Thailand will have short hair.
Speaker 1:I would have long hair and they used to have long hair that reached my back.
Speaker 2:I used to have aggressive behavior, used to drink a lot, used to smoke and this kind of thing, and this is my lifestyle. And if I need to reject myself, I think this is a big conflict. At least it's a conceptual and behavioral conflict. So I tried to reconcile but I really could not. And even my Chinese background. We worship Chinese gods and also worship our ancestors, and the more I pray to the, to the ancestor or the gods, instead of having answers, actually I have more questions about life and I think this is the starting point of my journey into faith in Christ.
Speaker 2:I started to shift my study from studying science into art, I think during my sec I mean in Thailand we call sec six, I mean secondary six, which is the year before university so I shifted to pursuing art. That makes me get a very difficult time to get into the university because I changed from science to art and it took me three years to go into Chiang Mai University Faculty of Fine Arts in Chiang Mai. So I pursue art because I think art is to get into the Faculty of Fine Arts and I hope that art will be my answer, because it's not a pure religion. It's a mixture between religion, philosophy and beauty, and I think this might fit my pursuit of life something like that. But during that time I encountered another conflict between my family situation and my situation, because my family is trying their best to support me in order that I will have my time to find myself in art and in my freedom. But I found that this is quite a selfish pursuit because I have my freedom at the expense of my dad and mom's hard work. So in the end, art didn't give me an answer of life. I come to the point that I would like to drop myself from the university and I think during that time God knows, and he really started to call me to know about him.
Speaker 2:So one day during this period I was pondering about living my dream of studying art. I still remember it was about 2 pm at night, thailand was really hot, so I took my shirt off and I painted a painting in my room. Then someone whom I didn't know came to my room and shared about Christ at 8 pm in the dormitory, and at first actually, I was not happy about this because I was against superficial, especially Western religion, christianity. But the more he shared about basic gospel, the more I was convinced because of that basic story about God and Jesus Christ, basic story about God and Jesus Christ. He said there's a one true God and we could not know this one true God because we are sinful and the only way is to believe in Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2:I, while listening to that, I was very convinced because I know when he talked about there's a one true God, I still have some question marks because Buddhism doesn't teach about the creator God, something beyond this life. But when this guy talked about man is sinful, I was really totally convinced because I used to be very aggressive, very hot tempered, used to use x to try to slash people, and I listened to heavy metal. I destroyed things when hot-tempered I could not even control myself. So I really know this is true and this is the real obstacle that blocked me from knowing God. So in the end that night I prayed to receive Christ. That's my starting point. I told myself, if Jesus is God, like what this guy said, I will follow him. I will do whatever to know him. So this is my starting point of the journey of faith.
Speaker 3:So you became a Christian while you were still an art student then? Yeah, yeah. So I guess my question for you is, as you were hearing the gospel, as a person, I guess, kind of open-minded in some ways, maybe studying art and even your own personality, affected your openness to some of these ideas. How, then, did becoming a Christian then shift the way that you thought about art in that time and the way that you began to maybe even see beauty or those kinds of things? Was there any obvious ways that things changed from that point on, within your studies at least? Can you ask again yeah, of course, of course. So you became a Christian while you're studying art, but did then becoming a Christian change the way that you saw art or open your mind to different things or affect the way that your art looked afterwards?
Speaker 2:Actually it's not conflicting. On the contrary, it actually is complementary.
Speaker 2:When I study art, I can actually I have at least three stories that I encounter God through art. My first encounter Christ was that I was painting a painting called I forgot the name Baby Bath or something. It's an assignment from the lecturer that students must reproduce or copy a painting from the masterpiece. So I chose randomly whether I would like to reproduce Van Gogh or Rembrandt or Renoir or some other artist, but somehow I just chose not so well known to me, which is a lady artist called Mary Cassatt. Mary Cassatt is an impressionist and she I mean different from other impressionists who painted sceneries or landscape or flowers. Like Van Gogh, mary Cassatt would paint daily life with impressionistic style.
Speaker 2:So I just picked one picture without thinking much. It's a picture of a mother bathing a baby. So the picture is a mother grabbing the feet of the baby, watching the baby's feet I mean the daughter's feet in a bowl, in a small bowl. So I just painted that. Then this guy I mean the one who shared about Christ came into my room and he shared the gospel. Then I prayed and received Christ and that night I continued to paint this painting, to paint this painting, when I paint the spot that the mother used her hand to wash the daughter's feet, I felt something very weird and it's a feeling that I never experienced before.
Speaker 2:It's an experience of warm love kind of thing. And it's not happened when I paint the background of the painting or paint some other part. It's happened when I put the brush on the hand of the mother and the feet of the children I mean of the daughter and I started to think this must be something, there must be love that I never experienced before. So I think this is my first encounter of God's love through art.
Speaker 2:I think the second one is more revealing. I went for a seascape trip. Seascape means we go to the seashore with the frames and equipment to paint a scenery around the sea, a sea beach. So we go for a seascape and I woke up at 5.30, prepare my frame, my easels, my equipment and I look for the place that might be the best place for me to paint sunrise scene. Then the sun started to come up from the horizon sea horizon I started to use always kind of a bit orangey color, so I started to mix my color from the palette. Then, after finishing mixing this orangey color, I look up no, no, no, it's not orange, it's purple. So I I need to start to mix color again. Then, lifting my head up, no, it's not purple, it's's pink. Then I started to be frustrated because that morning I realized I could not paint sunrise on the beach and I realized that the color changed every second and I have no way that I can really paint the beauty of the sunrise on the beach. And I pray God, you are an artist, I'm not.
Speaker 2:That's my second encounter encountering God through art and actually this second encounter includes my trip on the mountain, landscape painting also. So I went into the mountain for, I think, seven or ten days and in the morning I went out to paint mountain scenes. Then at night we would spend time with the forest officers. Then we just make hot coffee or make maki noodles and then have very long hours to chit-chat. Then one night I was talking with a very experienced forest officer.
Speaker 2:When we talk about our faith, I said I used to be a Buddhist and now I believe in God, believe in Jesus Christ, and I believe that our world is not a random incident, but there is a God who created the world. You know, the forest officer said. He said I believe that there is the creator. There is no way that this beauty of the nature can can function like this without the the person who designed it. Yeah, so that that that helped me to see that faith and art actually is complementary. It comes together to help me to understand God more through beauty, basically through art and beauty.
Speaker 3:Last year we had the ATA Sight, sounds and Stories conference in Chiang Mai, where you were from, and we got to see your painting on display, which I think was pretty cool I don't know if I can describe it here because I mean it's your painting and I only saw it that one day but your explanation of the kind of the movements that are taking place inside and the character that's in the front I thought was quite interesting. And when you talk about how art and faith, you know, are very, very compatible, you know, I think about your piece and how it tells a story of how you think about faith and your own journey into faith, which I think we'll talk a bit more about, especially as we talk about you going into ministry. So I mean, could you tell us a little bit about that specific piece?
Speaker 2:That piece is called Crucified with Christ. It's a black and white painting with acrylic paint and it's a scene of a Thai Christian being crucified on the cross upside down. The composition of the piece actually is inspired by Caravaggio, the Italian painter, but I contextualized it into Thai context using Thai figure, thai man and people surrounding the crucifixion scene are Thais. So my point is that it's not only Christ to be crucified on the cross, it's all of us Christians to be crucified with him. There's a concept behind that, but I would like to go back a little bit behind that. But I would like to go back a little bit.
Speaker 2:Just now I said I have three encounters with God through art. I shared about two, and the third one is something that helped me to decide that I would do art to communicate the gospel. When I study one subject in during my art college oh, no, yeah, faculty of fine art in chiang mai I studied, I'm not sure whether it's art appreciation or art history, but I encounter one art piece. It's a modern art, it's an installation art. Normally we would, I mean, in the fine art level.
Speaker 2:We prefer a classical art piece that you need to use your high skill to produce art, not just install something and say this is conceptual. But in the end, this piece of art stunned me. I really forgot the name of the artist, but it's an installation art with the jail bars in front, with a mirror behind the bars, and I thought who is in jail, who is behind these jail bars, and I would like to see. Then, when I move in front of this piece in the end it's a mirror the person who is a prisoner is myself. Then I thought I was a free man, but actually that piece of art told me that no, you are a prisoner.
Speaker 2:So I think from this piece, I really think deeply that art is not about beauty. It's not only about beauty. Art is, it's very conceptual and it's a tool that you can convey abstract concept through your art. So I decided from from that time that I will use art to communicate the gospel. I think, think that is the starting point. So, together with my friend his name is Anand we know Christ almost at the same time. We study in the same faculty, we major in painting, then minor in sculpture, we grow up in faith together, we do Christian art together, and he also has a series that is very profound and I'd like to share a little bit about his work too. After becoming a Christian, he found that there is a space. When prays, he will go into that space, so it's a special space. So when he did his painting, he did a series on the Garden of the Heart.
Speaker 2:The Garden of the Heart is a special place between him and God in his heart. So what he did was that he just painted a very big palm in a very big canvas let's say 180 cm. I mean 180 cm by 140 cm, something like that but the whole picture is a big palm with a lot of lines. It's a big palm with a lot of lines. In the middle of the palm there is the nail mark, the nail print of Jesus.
Speaker 2:Then inside the nail mark there is another space which is similar to another universe, something like that. But it's very powerful to communicate abstract concept of relationship with god or eternal life to to the tides. I'm sure many people would understand this concept that there is another space inside the new mark of Jesus which is eternal life. So he did that series, but I did another series called crucified with Christ, because you see, my background before I became Christian was that I have a conflict about self how come self?
Speaker 2:becomes the obstacle of a better life. I, I would say, but in the end I understood the concept of self from Jesus' perspective. Then I did this in order to express my understanding.
Speaker 1:Wow. So in your exploration through art, how did that actually lead you to then becoming a pastor? Yeah, it's quite a jump from doing art and then moving to full-time ministry.
Speaker 2:Actually, my friend Dong Anand and myself really would like to devote ourselves into full-time ministry after our university time. Actually, arnan was very famous during that time. I'm not sure whether Japan Art Association or something would like to sponsor him to do art full-time and will bring him around the world to do exhibition. But he turned that down to serve God in a full-time ministry with Campus Crusade for Christ. And I also joined Campus Crusade for Christ. But God changed my plan to go to the rural area to learn how to do pastoral work in the village.
Speaker 2:But I think the turning point was that when, during the graduation period of my university time, I really did a symbolic action of giving away my art equipment. All of my art equipment I gave away to my younger friends and I said I would do full-time ministry, not art. I would not be an artist, I would be a God's servant. I think that is a transition that I really tried to get rid of my passion to pursue art in order to to serve god. But in the end god didn't allow me to do university or college ministry but he sent me to the village in central Thailand.
Speaker 2:During that time I needed to work really hard to run a small business to help my, to support my family financial situation. They had a lot of debts and we needed to help them to clear the debts. So but that was a very meaningful period because not only I understand how people who are in debt feel and I really work hard I'm sure I work harder than normal people. I remember we get up early, 3 am went to bed really late like 11 o'clock, but during that time I got a chance to learn about ministry.
Speaker 2:I learned how to share the gospel, learned how to disciple new believers, learn how to lead worship, learn how to preach, learn how to conduct a Bible study, learn how to be a pastor too.
Speaker 1:Was there someone guiding on this?
Speaker 2:Yeah, there was an uncle. His name is Tawib. Uncle Tawib just a watch repairer. I mean the old school watch repairer.
Speaker 1:Bivocational pastors.
Speaker 2:Actually he's just a normal ordinary watch repairer, but he has a dream to have a church in his own hometown. And it happened that I graduated from Chiang Mai University and God sent me to that specific place and I learned from him. So he is, he is my pastor, lecturer, mentor, mentor. Yeah, so I learned under him. Uh it's, it's got uh good timing, because when, when I uh joined them, he had I don't know how to call that, it's a disease that caused him failure of muscles so he could not move, except he can turn his neck a little bit. So I learned a lot under him how to preach, how to serve God, how to be a pastor.
Speaker 2:So he was doing all that even with his muscular yeah on his bed on his wheelchair and he's just a normal wash and repairer and I didn't have any theological background back then. So he invited me before he passed away. He invited me to be a pastor, so my journey into ministry started there. So I worked as a bivocational pastor, worked in a small business and also worked as a pastor.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I was there for seven years before coming to SBC in 2005 for my first theological degree.
Speaker 3:So maybe you could tell us a bit more about that story, because you learned ministry in the school of real-world village church life. But how then did you get called into further study and eventually come to SBC to study?
Speaker 2:I keep doing it. When I was pastoring the church in central Thailand, without any physical background, I mean, what I had was just.
Speaker 2:I was taught by my mentors and have few books, few Bibles and study Bibles and I use that. It is a self-study kind of thing, but I realized that I cannot stop my Bible knowledge At this point. I need to know the truth from God's word. Actually, during that time there was a warning to me because when I preach, actually I preach what I know, and there was some people with good intention told me that hey, tanit, what you preach is not what the Bible says. I was really furious because I thought it was right, but actually it was very wrong.
Speaker 2:So I decided that if I would like to pursue to be a servant of God, I must know God's Word. So I took MDiv online course no, it's not an online course, it's the distance course for MDiv in Thailand and I think I finished maybe 75% of the MDiv program and I got straight A's. But I realized that my knowledge is the same I mean the same as before. So I decided that if I need to invest myself, I would like to invest in the institution that help me understand more Not a self-study kind of thing, it's just reinforcing what you already know, in that sense, which could be wrong, like you have experienced.
Speaker 2:True, so I prepared myself to come to Singapore, but my big problem is the language. So I spent, I think, two and a half years just to prepare my English. So in 2005, I came here for my MDiv. Then, after my MDiv, I went back to join my team as a church planter in the village, also in Chiang Mai, and during that time I pastored a church and at the same time I taught at Chiang Mai Theological Seminary as a part-time lecturer too.
Speaker 2:It's quite fun because the church planting ministry is very deep in the village. The church is in the middle of the paddy field, but in the end every week you need to ride a motorbike from the village to the city to teach Greek. And the students always ask why do you need to learn Greek? Because your ministry is very grassroots, you need to work among the very low educated people, but you need to study Greek. I said no, actually this is very balanced. We need to have both. We need to have a deeper understanding of God's word in the original languages and we, at the same time, we work among the grassroot people. So during that time it was quite fun because the two lakes are in very extreme poles. One is in the village with the grassroot ministry, another one is in a seminary in town with a strange language, greek.
Speaker 3:So I'm guessing then your call into continuing to study, to do a THM and then eventually into the PhD was kind of a call to be more involved in the theological education side in Chiang Mai Theological Center.
Speaker 2:Yeah, correct Because I mean, we grew up in a more practical side of doing ministry. I learned a lot from Campus Crusade how to evangelize, how to do discipleship, how to be a good leader.
Speaker 2:I think we are good at practical ministries, but when we talk about knowing the bible deeply, not many people would say that and and statistically we we have a lot of demons I mean demon graduates in thailand, but not many people really know original languages or theology or historical theology. So I decided to pursue biblical languages when I realized that SBC was very strong in biblical languages. During that time my mentor also said that there are a lot of people who can do ministry in the practical aspect, but the real need, or another side of the need of the of the church in Thailand is people who study God's word deeply. So I started from my MDiv and during my MDiv time I stuck with my English, but I was really happy learning Greek and Hebrew, even though it's two more new languages.
Speaker 1:You're learning another language, your other language, your third language language, in your other language, in a third language.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and this is an experience of the most uh, this is a mouse experience that when you really understand what god's uh, god's word, what, would like to talk to you.
Speaker 2:You were really excited and and I think this must be a very important part for me to serve him in Thailand. So I pursued my THM in Old Testament studies focusing on wisdom literature in the Old Testament, and went back to Chiang Mai not as a pastor anymore, because we train our youth to be a pastor. So I came out to teach at Chiang Mai Theriot School Seminary as a full-time lecturer and now your PhD project is in what you can share with our audience.
Speaker 3:What are you researching at the moment.
Speaker 2:I still love wisdom literature because we, I would say we are quite good in foundational theology, about salvation, about God, about faith, about church, about ministry. But somehow there is a seemingly clash between faith and wisdom. Sometimes you say, oh, we don't need to plan because we need to use faith, we need to pray, and if you plan so much, people will say that you don't have faith, something like that.
Speaker 2:So we have a seemingly or apparent conflict between faith and wisdom, but actually all certain wisdom is really clear that actually faith and wisdom works together and as long as we get connected with God the fear of the Lord is the beginning of the wisdom then we will have wisdom from God to manage things in our lives. So I pursued wisdom literature and I pursued the book of Job, because the book of Job is, I think is, a common ground for Thai people to talk about theology when we talk about suffering.
Speaker 3:So we're nearing the end of our time, but I wanted to ask you then, as someone who is a theological educator in Thailand and someone who's now the principal of the seminary there, what do you see in terms of the bigger picture of the Thai theological and even Christian landscape? What kinds of struggles and challenges do you face in your seminary, and what does that say about, maybe, the state of the Thai church? So what are the things that you see from your position now?
Speaker 2:I think one of the challenges is that the Christianity in Thailand is still very small. This year is 2025. In three years time, we will reach 200 anniversary of Protestant in Thailand, and I think the oldest church in Southeast Asia is in Thailand too the oldest one. So, but we almost reached 200 years, but Christianity in Thailand is still under less than 1%. So it's quite a big challenge for us in terms of running a theological institution like Bible college or seminary like this, because we have a very small pool, but we have a lot of demand from the church. When I was in central Thailand back then during my time, there were about 50 churches in different districts and in different provinces, but only 12 full-time pastors among 50 churches, so it's only one-fourth, and I thought this might be. I mean, the situation might already change, but actually it's not so many churches that run running without the pastors or the shepherds, so the challenge is how to produce more shepherd leaders who really know God's Word. Another challenge is the situation after COVID.
Speaker 2:The situation after COVID a lot of media advertising false teaching in YouTube and other platforms. So we need to fight against false teaching in the media platform also, so your work is even more important now than it was before.
Speaker 1:Thank you for sharing so many stories. I'm sure there's even more that you can share with us, but what I really appreciate is hearing how God has led you to this point, both through your background, that whole desire in your heart for something more than.
Speaker 1:It's quite ironic, because at first you didn't want to deny yourself and then, in the end, you had to as well as a christian um, but it's to a purpose that you found that was true and meaningful, right through art, through and and through people around you, and and then now you're also bringing all these together to serve God's people in theological education and with your pastoral heart too. So, yeah, I really appreciate.
Speaker 2:But in the end it goes back to what I mentioned in the beginning, that from the verse that someone said to Jesus that we have only this, we have only this much. So my life is only this. It's just a small piece of five loaves and two fish, but within the hand of the Lord, I think he can use whatever we give to him.
Speaker 3:I think for me, I appreciate the fact that you have this very grassroots experience, but now you're studying at a very high level with regard to Bible, so I think something that has been lacking a lot in the theological conversation in Asia is how do you bring the two together in a way that speaks to what theology and Bible look like in Asia? So a lot of scholars tend to like to talk about it, but I think for you, given your experience, you understand what this means in context, and I think that you know, for people like us here who are in Singapore, we have so much that we can even learn from your experience, as well as the experience of churches on the ground in central Thailand, in the villages, because there's something that God has been doing in those places that we also can learn from too, and I think that's, I think, something that we can continue to maybe talk about.
Speaker 1:I think that can be another episode. It could be another episode. Yeah, Next season.
Speaker 3:Yes, okay. Well, thank you so much for spending this time with us and sharing with us about your story. We will continue to keep in touch with you and we really wish you all the best in your studies, as well as the ministry that you're doing back in Thailand, and hope to see you again soon as you visit Singapore again. Thank you so much for having me today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you.
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